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Friday, August 13, 2010

Day 20 Cle Elum, WA - Moscow, ID 391 miles

  This day is for Phil / Dad / Poppie Carpenter. I am going to try to tell this story the best I can. Phil was in the CCC that was created by FDR to make jobs in a country that was in a depression. He left Hermon, NY and boarded a train for Idaho at the age of 17. I can't imagine how he must have felt at that age to get on a train with hundreds of strangers and head for a strange state almost all the way across the country. Of course then 17 was not a kid. At 17 you had a lot of experience in living and making a living, especially as hard as the times were then.
  The story he told me, if I remember correctly, was on the way to Idaho a man told him that he could get him a job in the kitchen. I would be easier than some of the other jobs and of course in the kitchen would be warmer in the cold weather. Anyway Phil figured why not, he would give it a try.
   One day he was out back of the kitchen splitting wood and he heard a truck coming and then stop on the road above him. Pretty soon the guy in the truck came up to him and wondered where he "learned to swing an ax like that". Phil told him that back home he had been swinging an ax to cut and split wood since he was strong enough to pick one up and swing it. Well the guy, who was the boss, told him that he wasn't going to work in the kitchen anymore. He said he was going to teach some others how to swing an ax. I can't remember how many men he was put in charge of but it was quite a few.
  He said a lot of them "were from the city" and had never chopped wood before. They were hitting themselves with the ax as much as they were hitting the wood. I imagine some got hurt pretty bad.
  Well, Phil told the boss he wanted the ax handles made longer. The boss asked him why and Phil said if the handles were longer, when they missed the wood they would just hit the ground in front of them instead of there foot or shins. According to Phil, it wasn't long and the axes had longer handles. I can't remember how much longer but maybe he will comment on this post to tell us how much longer and any other things he can add to the story.
  The story I got was in 1910 there was a forest fire that burnt thousands of acres of forest. So twenty some years later under FDR's Civilian Conservation Corp, the burnt remains were cut and new trees planted. From information from Phil and searching the internet, Phil was in Company 229 and went to Emida, Idaho for his part in the reforestation program. He made $25 a month and all but $5 of that was sent home to help out his family. He eventually came back to Northern New York and worked on several projects in that area. One I  remember was putting rip-rap around the shore of a lake up by Paul Smiths, NY. Also if I remember correctly that is where he learned to drive truck. Later he used his truck driving skills to work delivering fuel and eventually being a partner in the Gulf Oil Company in De Kalb Jct., NY.
  OK, that is how I remember the story and I can't tell it like Phil. Actually I can't wait to hear him tell me again when we get  back home and go see him. One thing I do remember is asking him over the years when he would tell his stories. I would say " How in hell did you do that?" His answer was ALWAYS " Times were tough and a man had to do what a man had to do, to get by".
  So according to Jeannie and Joe that we met in St. Maries, ID we got pictures of some trees that might have been planted by Company 229. It is nice to think that maybe the pictures are of trees planted by Phil himself.
  According to Julie and Karen that have a studio and help to refurbish the depot in Potlatch. The depot they are in must be the one that Phil came into because there isn't and wasn't any other depot that would get him to Emida.
  Hopefully Phil will shed some more light on this story. I told the best I could and Susie and I talked with several people about Emida and the CCC camps. We only found 4 people that could give us any insight as to where the trees were planted and where Phil got off the train after arriving in Idaho. Thanks to Jeannie and Joe, also to Julie and Karen and by the way the depot looks fantastic and thanks for taking the time to show us around. I hope another "train boy" comes through soon. LOL!
Everyone take care,
Susie and Albert
 PS
By the way Phil will be 90 years old on August 30th so that would make the trees 73 years old. Phil wondered if Susie would be able to put her arms around one and you can tell by the pictures that she couldn't. There is a lot of logging going on in the area but there are still a lot of big trees left.
Here is a link to the girls website.     http://www.karenrohn.com/


I am adding the comment left by Dad here so when I have this printed off into a book his comment will be added:
I was in charge of 30 men at a time but there was more then 300 men. I was trying them in cutting with an ax, and a cross saw. They were getting hurt by the axes. I had them make the handle 8 inches longer so they wouldn't take off a foot and would hit the ground instead when they missed the wood. 
I could only train two or three at a time because of safety. I would take them out for two or three days and I would watch them to make sure they did it right. If they were all doing it at once they would fall trees on each other. There were men there doing the same thing I was and they were almost 50 years old. 
I think I might have planted that tree Susie. 
There were no buildings at the time I was there they were just building the buildings while I was there.
All they had there when I was there, store, tavern, beer garden. They built the beer garden for the lumberjacks to get their money. They would come out every weekend or time off and spend the money at the beer garden.
The government would send 20 dollars of my pay home and give me 5. I would buy a few cigs and what ever else a young man needed. (I asked him if he ever visited the beer garden and he laughed and said not very often, because he didn't have much money.)He does remember the name of the depot as potlatch.
Yes Walt Stowell did go with me and was with me all the time. He is also from Hermon.
(He really loved this and there was no way that I could put everything down that he was saying) I can say he loved it and loves to tell the story to everyone.
Love
Dad

My Dad!
This was taken after we had gotten back from our trip. It was August 29th the day
before his 90th birthday on August 30th. :)

19 comments:

  1. love the pictures...and hoping that phil will add more when mom goes down to see him!!! be safe Love Miranda

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  2. Hi Susie and Al,

    What a nice story - my thanks go out to you Phil for all your hard work these many years to make it nicer for our country and for you to make a living and send money home for your family...

    My best to you that you'll enjoy a very happy birthday on Aug 30th - my mom is of a similar age...

    Great pictures, Susie and Al - Have fun, enjoy and be safe...

    cubbear

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  3. Miranda,
    Can't wait to hear how it goes with your Mom and my DAD. It is great that she is doing this for me.
    Thanks for the well wishes and I hope he adds more too. :)
    Love,
    Susie

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  4. cubbear,
    Your comments brought tears to my eyes. How nice of you to write to my Dad and say such sweet things.
    Thanks 'so' very much,
    Susie

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  5. Thanks Miranda and Peggy cubbear. I know Phil will enjoy seeing the pictures. I wish I could tell the story like he does. I love to hear him talk about his CCC days, deer hunting, early oil delivery, etc.
    Albert

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  6. Forgot to ask, what is this: putting rip-rap around the shore of a lake up by Paul Smiths, NY.

    That's a new one for me... Thanks,

    cubbear

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  7. Okay now that I have read all this I hope I can do justice with Phil tomorrow and not cry like I am now. He is going to be so excited to see all of this. When I went down two weeks ago to start showing him the blog that is all he could talk about was this day here. He was telling everyone at the Nursing home about his trip to plant the trees. I hope I can keep up with his story as he tells me more. I can't wait to see his expression when he sees the pictures.Thanks for sharing this with all of us, it is very special. Be Safe and Love yas
    Tammy

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  8. Susie, My Dad, Walt Stowell, left Hermon NY with your Dad. They went to the CCC camp together. See if he still remembers Dad. I would love to hear some of his stories of their times together. My Dad was very fond of yours and spoke of him often. They had many good visits on the telephone the last few years. Please tell your Dad I said Hello when you see him again. Cindy S Richards

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  9. Peggy cubbear.
    It is stone,rock,etc. put along the shorelines to stop erosion from water and ice.

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  10. Tammy,
    It makes Albert and I pretty emotional too. I wish I could be there with him BUT you going to read it to him and see his reaction is great and I thank you so much for doing that.
    I'll call you tonight to see how it went.
    Thanks again,
    Love,
    Susie

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  11. Thanks Albert and Susie for stopping by BlackBird Station in Historic Potlatch, Idaho. We enjoyed the visit and hope to see you in our neck of the woods again! Karen and Julie

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  12. Cindy,
    Yes, you are so right. He has mentioned your DAD 'so' very many times over the years. He told me that they had the agreement that who ever passed first that they would not try to travel the miles to attend the calling hours or funeral because they were getting old. :)
    They were close buddies and Dad did mention several times that Walt was in the CCC's with him.
    Thanks for commenting and following us along,
    Susie

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  13. Karen and Julie,
    We are just glad we found you and thanks again for all your time.

    Albert & Susie

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  14. I was in charge of 30 men at a time but there was more then 300 men. I was trying them in cutting with an ax, and a cross saw. They were getting hurt by the axes. I had them make the handle 8 inches longer so they wouldn't take off a foot and would hit the ground instead when they missed the wood.
    I could only train two or three at a time because of safety. I would take them out for two or three days and I would watch them to make sure they did it right. If they were all doing it at once they would fall trees on each other. There were men there doing the same thing I was and they were almost 50 years old.
    I think I might have planted that tree Susie.
    There were no buildings at the time I was there they were just building the buildings while I was there.
    All they had there when I was there, store, tavern, beer garden. They built the beer garden for the lumberjacks to get their money. They would come out every weekend or time off and spend the money at the beer garden.
    The government would send 20 dollars of my pay home and give me 5. I would buy a few cigs and what ever else a young man needed. (I asked him if he ever visited the beer garden and he laughed and said not very often, because he didn't have much money.)He does remember the name of the depot as potlatch.
    Yes Walt Stowell did go with me and was with me all the time. He is also from Hermon.
    (He really loved this and there was no way that I could put everything down that he was saying) I can say he loved it and loves to tell the story to everyone.
    Love
    Dad

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  15. Dad,
    Thanks so much for telling us more about what went on back when you were 17 and in Idaho.
    We sure loved being there. It was one of the best times we have had on the trip so far.
    Glad Tammy took you to see the photos.
    We have a few brochures from the train station that we thought you would like to see.
    Hope to see you in a few weeks.
    Love ya,
    Susie

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  16. Hi Albert and Sue. I don't know if you look back at older posts or not, but wanted to make this comment. I remember your Dad sitting in the restaurant(Sqeeks) Telling these stories. Along with many others. He loved to tell stories and everyone loved to listen to him. He should have written an autobiography. He was really good at it. A lot of the stories he told were of the times at hunting camps around Harrisvile,Crogan and Fine and etc. He is a great man. I wonder if he remembers me? Love, Aunt Peg and Uncle Bob

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  17. Hi Aunt Peg and Uncle Bob,
    You are right that Dad is a good story teller.
    I have mentioned you and Bob before and he remembered but not sure who he remembers lately.
    It is nice of you to say he is a great man. :)
    Thanks,
    Susie

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  18. Dear Susie and Albert,
    It is wonderful that you are documenting uncle Phils' story. I love these family stories. I always admired my aunt Mary and uncle Phil because they took such good care of their big family and were always nice to everyone. I went to see uncle Phil on his 90th birthday and took my mom, ( aunt Marys' sister ). He was very glad to see us. God bless.....

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  19. Thanks a bunch. It was OUR pleasure to go to Idaho.
    Sweet of you to say such nice things about Mom and Dad.
    Yes, I bet you all had fun that day. He was 92. :)
    Susie

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